{"id":139240,"date":"2024-03-16T13:06:23","date_gmt":"2024-03-16T12:06:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/?p=139240"},"modified":"2024-03-16T13:22:50","modified_gmt":"2024-03-16T12:22:50","slug":"chatgpt-etc-les-reflexions-dun-modeste-instituteur-par-pascal-charrier","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/2024\/03\/16\/chatgpt-etc-les-reflexions-dun-modeste-instituteur-par-pascal-charrier\/","title":{"rendered":"<b>ChatGPT, etc. : Les r\u00e9flexions d&rsquo;un modeste instituteur<\/b>, par Pascal Charrier"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p.webp\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-139244\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p.webp\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p.webp 1024w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p-300x300.webp 300w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p-150x150.webp 150w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p-768x768.webp 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Illustration par DALL\u00b7E (+PJ)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u00c0 propos de la vid\u00e9o <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/2024\/03\/15\/video-pj-tv-ia-pourquoi-la-linguistique-a-t-elle-echoue\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">IA : Pourquoi la linguistique a-t-elle \u00e9chou\u00e9 ?<\/a> (entretien avec Claude Roux).<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Pour le modeste instituteur que je suis et qui apprend \u00e0 lire \u00e0 des enfants, il me semble que les progr\u00e8s dans les versions successives des ChatGPT, etc. (Large Language Model = LLM) n&rsquo;ont fait que reproduire ce que font les enfants une fois d\u00e9pass\u00e9 le stade du babillage pour apprendre \u00e0 parler\u00a0: simplement emmagasiner de plus en plus de mots.<\/p>\n<p>Tous les enfants que j&rsquo;ai au CP ont d\u00e9velopp\u00e9 des comp\u00e9tences linguistiques (syntaxe, conjugaison&#8230;) sans jamais rien avoir appris ni de la grammaire, ni de la linguistique. <em>Paradoxalement, c&rsquo;est quand je commence \u00e0 leur apprendre ce que c&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;un verbe que certains ne savent plus conjuguer un verbe qu&rsquo;ils ont appris \u00ab\u00a0naturellement\u00a0\u00bb : avec des \u00ab\u00a0nous prendons\u00a0\u00bb en cherchant \u00e0 appliquer le mod\u00e8le grammatical appris.<\/em> Jamais ils n&rsquo;auraient prononc\u00e9 ce mot qui d&rsquo;ailleurs les choque mais qu&rsquo;ils ont invent\u00e9 pour r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 ce qu&rsquo;ils croient \u00eatre l\u00e0 demande scolaire.<\/p>\n<p>J&rsquo;ai comme l&rsquo;impression au regard de cette vid\u00e9o que si les linguistes ont \u00e9chou\u00e9, c&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;ils ont invent\u00e9 un \u00ab\u00a0mod\u00e8le logique\u00a0\u00bb \u00e0 partir d&rsquo;une \u00ab\u00a0pratique naturelle\u00a0\u00bb (ou culturelle si vous pr\u00e9f\u00e9rez) bas\u00e9e sur les \u00e9changes multiples li\u00e9s au collectif. Finalement, c&rsquo;est ce que font les LLM de mani\u00e8re artificielle mais incroyablement acc\u00e9l\u00e9r\u00e9e. Quand les \u00ab\u00a0mod\u00e9rateurs\u00a0\u00bb (petites mains de l&rsquo;ombre) \u00e9liminent les propos racistes ou autres, ils ne font que reproduire ce que font (ou pas) les parents qui \u00e9duquent leurs enfants en interdisant certains propos.<\/p>\n<p>La r\u00e9ussite des LLM n&rsquo;est-elle pas d&rsquo;avoir su reproduire une fonction naturelle en simulant une pratique plut\u00f4t que de chercher \u00e0 concevoir une mod\u00e9lisation abstraite et logique n\u00e9cessairement \u00ab\u00a0imparfaite\u00a0\u00bb ? On remarquera, si l&rsquo;on veut bien admettre ce point de vue, que les \u00e9checs de la mod\u00e9lisation abstraite et logique peuvent \u00e9galement \u00eatre \u00e9tendus par exemple \u00e0 celui de l&rsquo;agriculture intensive et hors-sol qui d\u00e9truit les sols fertiles et produit massivement une nourriture de faible qualit\u00e9 voir toxique (r\u00e9sidus en tout genre de l&rsquo;agro chimie).<\/p>\n<p>La r\u00e9ussite des LLM face \u00e0 l&rsquo;impasse linguistique perdue dans les limbes de la complexit\u00e9, ne devrait-elle pas nous interpeler sur les limites de la mod\u00e9lisation abstraite et logique d\u00e9contextualis\u00e9e ? Ne devrait-elle pas nous faire prendre conscience de la n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 de reconsid\u00e9rer ce que la nature sait d\u00e9j\u00e0 faire, plut\u00f4t que de nous enfermer dans des r\u00eaves post-vie biologiques ?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-12.57.55-Visualize-a-contrast-between-two-scenes.-On-the-left-show-a-flourishing-natural-landscape-symbolizing-natures-wisdom-and-resilience-with-lush-green.webp\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-139245\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-12.57.55-Visualize-a-contrast-between-two-scenes.-On-the-left-show-a-flourishing-natural-landscape-symbolizing-natures-wisdom-and-resilience-with-lush-green.webp\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-12.57.55-Visualize-a-contrast-between-two-scenes.-On-the-left-show-a-flourishing-natural-landscape-symbolizing-natures-wisdom-and-resilience-with-lush-green.webp 1024w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-12.57.55-Visualize-a-contrast-between-two-scenes.-On-the-left-show-a-flourishing-natural-landscape-symbolizing-natures-wisdom-and-resilience-with-lush-green-300x300.webp 300w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-12.57.55-Visualize-a-contrast-between-two-scenes.-On-the-left-show-a-flourishing-natural-landscape-symbolizing-natures-wisdom-and-resilience-with-lush-green-150x150.webp 150w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-12.57.55-Visualize-a-contrast-between-two-scenes.-On-the-left-show-a-flourishing-natural-landscape-symbolizing-natures-wisdom-and-resilience-with-lush-green-768x768.webp 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Illustration par DALL\u00b7E (+PJ)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p.webp\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-139244\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p.webp\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p.webp 1024w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p-300x300.webp 300w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p-150x150.webp 150w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-16-13.01.32-Create-a-surrealistic-scene-inspired-by-early-20th-century-Surrealism.-On-one-side-depict-a-flourishing-exaggerated-natural-landscape-with-vibrant-p-768x768.webp 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Illustration par DALL\u00b7E (+PJ)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>\u00c0 propos de la vid\u00e9o <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/2024\/03\/15\/video-pj-tv-ia-pourquoi-la-linguistique-a-t-elle-echoue\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">IA : Pourquoi la linguistique a-t-elle \u00e9chou\u00e9 ?<\/a> (entretien avec Claude Roux).<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Pour le modeste instituteur que je suis et qui apprend \u00e0 lire \u00e0 des enfants, il me semble que les progr\u00e8s 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