{"id":139291,"date":"2024-03-22T11:30:56","date_gmt":"2024-03-22T10:30:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/?p=139291"},"modified":"2024-03-22T11:30:56","modified_gmt":"2024-03-22T10:30:56","slug":"un-debat-de-haut-niveau-sur-la-guerre-hamas-netanyahu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/2024\/03\/22\/un-debat-de-haut-niveau-sur-la-guerre-hamas-netanyahu\/","title":{"rendered":"<b>Un d\u00e9bat de haut niveau sur la guerre Hamas &#8211; Netanyahu<\/b>"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-139292\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing-768x768.jpeg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Illustration par Stable Diffusion<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Vous vous souvenez peut-\u00eatre encore de ceci : <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/2023\/11\/28\/qg-la-bascule-geopolitique-du-monde-de-lukraine-a-la-palestine-avec-henri-guaino-georges-malbrunot-rony-brauman-paul-jorion\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">QG \u2013\u00a0<b>\u00ab\u00a0La bascule g\u00e9opolitique du monde. De l\u2019Ukraine \u00e0 la Palestine\u00a0\u00bb<\/b>\u00a0avec Henri Guaino, Georges Malbrunot, Rony Brauman &amp; Paul Jorion<\/a>, cela se passait le 27 novembre dernier.<\/p>\n<p>J&rsquo;avais pris de la hauteur, situant la question sur le plan de la reconnaissance mutuelle des bellig\u00e9rants, de la r\u00e9ciprocit\u00e9 en particulier, remontant dans l&rsquo;histoire, etc. Mal m&rsquo;en avait pris : les intervenants \u00e9taient somm\u00e9s de justifier le point de vue palestinien et toute tentative de reprendre de la hauteur vous exposait aux tirs de scuds.<\/p>\n<p>Le d\u00e9bat qui ne s&rsquo;est pas tenu le 27 novembre a heureusement eu lieu il y a quelques jours. C&rsquo;est en anglais mais de nos jours tout se traduit ais\u00e9ment, et \u00e7a dure 4 heures et 57 minutes. Mais rassurez-vous &#8211; je m&rsquo;adresse \u00e0 ceux qui pr\u00e9f\u00e8rent la castagne &#8211; il y a quand m\u00eame des noms d&rsquo;oiseaux \u00e9chang\u00e9s (Lex Fridman a eu l&rsquo;habilet\u00e9 d&rsquo;en mettre quelques extraits au tout d\u00e9but de sa vid\u00e9o) :<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/1X_KdkoGxSs?si=FAZepHtE0FwlcoX9\" width=\"700\" height=\"450\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe>.<\/p>\n<p>En pr\u00e8s de 5 heures, il y a beaucoup d&rsquo;informations. J&rsquo;en retiens que le choix de parler dans les textes des Nations-Unies de 1947, 1948, etc. de deux parties, l&rsquo;une appel\u00e9e \u00ab\u00a0Arabes\u00a0\u00bb, l&rsquo;autre \u00ab\u00a0Juifs\u00a0\u00bb n&rsquo;a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 sans cons\u00e9quences, que quand vous croyez avoir tout compris de 1948, vous \u00eates forc\u00e9 d&rsquo;\u00e9clairer cela par 1937, lequel n&rsquo;a de sens que si vous vous repr\u00e9sentez avec clart\u00e9 la situation en Palestine dans les ann\u00e9es 1920, etc. Tout commence par des achats de terre \u00e0 leurs propri\u00e9taires l\u00e9gitimes alors que ces terres sont \u00e0 l&rsquo;abandon et peupl\u00e9es de squatters. C&rsquo;est dire si on est bien barr\u00e9s \ud83d\ude41 &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>R\u00e9sultat des courses (je reviens \u00e0 mon point de d\u00e9part) : en l&rsquo;absence de <em>r\u00e9ciprocit\u00e9 positive <\/em>(en fran\u00e7ais : une bienveillance fond\u00e9e sur la reconnaissance du statut d&rsquo;\u00eatre humain \u00e0 part enti\u00e8re au camp d&rsquo;en face), une confrontation est in\u00e9vitable et devient aussit\u00f4t inextricable.<\/p>\n<p>Beaucoup d&rsquo;informations qui \u00e9toffent et documentent plus compl\u00e8tement le sentiment que j&rsquo;ai exprim\u00e9 d\u00e8s le 7 octobre : mon absence de sympathie pour aucun des deux camps en pr\u00e9sence car ni Hamas, ni le gouvernement de Benjamin Netanyahu, ne consid\u00e8re que le camp d&rsquo;en face est constitu\u00e9 d&rsquo;\u00eatres humains dignes de ce nom et m\u00e9ritant d&rsquo;\u00eatre trait\u00e9s avec respect, dignement et d\u00e9cemment.<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Norman_Finkelstein\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Norman Finkelstein<\/a> et <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Benny_Morris\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Benny Morris<\/a> sont des historiens. <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mouin_Rabbani\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Mouin Rabbani<\/a> est analyste du Moyen-Orient. <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Destiny_(streamer)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Steven Bonnell<\/a> (alias Destiny) est un animateur politique.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-22-11.17.27-Depict-a-scene-showing-the-devastation-of-a-Middle-Eastern-town-ravaged-by-bombing.-The-setting-includes-characteristic-Middle-Eastern-architecture-n.webp\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-22-11.17.27-Depict-a-scene-showing-the-devastation-of-a-Middle-Eastern-town-ravaged-by-bombing.-The-setting-includes-characteristic-Middle-Eastern-architecture-n.webp\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-139293\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-22-11.17.27-Depict-a-scene-showing-the-devastation-of-a-Middle-Eastern-town-ravaged-by-bombing.-The-setting-includes-characteristic-Middle-Eastern-architecture-n.webp 1024w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-22-11.17.27-Depict-a-scene-showing-the-devastation-of-a-Middle-Eastern-town-ravaged-by-bombing.-The-setting-includes-characteristic-Middle-Eastern-architecture-n-300x300.webp 300w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-22-11.17.27-Depict-a-scene-showing-the-devastation-of-a-Middle-Eastern-town-ravaged-by-bombing.-The-setting-includes-characteristic-Middle-Eastern-architecture-n-150x150.webp 150w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-03-22-11.17.27-Depict-a-scene-showing-the-devastation-of-a-Middle-Eastern-town-ravaged-by-bombing.-The-setting-includes-characteristic-Middle-Eastern-architecture-n-768x768.webp 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Illustration par DALL\u00b7E<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-139292\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stable-Diffusion-Bombing-768x768.jpeg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Illustration par Stable Diffusion<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Vous vous souvenez peut-\u00eatre encore de ceci : <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/2023\/11\/28\/qg-la-bascule-geopolitique-du-monde-de-lukraine-a-la-palestine-avec-henri-guaino-georges-malbrunot-rony-brauman-paul-jorion\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">QG \u2013\u00a0<b>\u00ab\u00a0La bascule g\u00e9opolitique du monde. De l\u2019Ukraine \u00e0 la Palestine\u00a0\u00bb<\/b>\u00a0avec Henri Guaino, Georges Malbrunot, Rony Brauman &amp; Paul Jorion<\/a>, cela se passait le 27 novembre dernier.<\/p>\n<p>J&rsquo;avais pris de [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crdt_document":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[9516,9517],"tags":[5515,9521,5913,8168,1592,9522,9520,2302,9523],"class_list":["post-139291","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-israel","category-palestine","tag-benjamin-netanyahu","tag-benny-morris","tag-gaza","tag-hamas","tag-israel","tag-mouin-rabbani","tag-norman-finkelstein","tag-palestine","tag-steven-bonnell-alias-destiny"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/139291","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=139291"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/139291\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":139296,"href":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/139291\/revisions\/139296"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=139291"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=139291"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=139291"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}