{"id":145456,"date":"2025-10-03T02:25:51","date_gmt":"2025-10-03T00:25:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/?p=145456"},"modified":"2025-10-03T02:25:51","modified_gmt":"2025-10-03T00:25:51","slug":"les-carnets-du-psychanalyste-portrait-du-praticien-par-un-tiers-generatif","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/2025\/10\/03\/les-carnets-du-psychanalyste-portrait-du-praticien-par-un-tiers-generatif\/","title":{"rendered":"Les carnets du psychanalyste \u2013 <b>Portrait du praticien par un tiers g\u00e9n\u00e9ratif<\/b>"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-145460\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1792\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n.jpeg 1792w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n-300x171.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n-1024x585.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n-768x439.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n-1536x878.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1792px) 100vw, 1792px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>Illustration par DALL\u2022E<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Le dialogue qui suit est reproduit in extenso.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div><strong>P.J.<\/strong> :<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap\">Est-il visible dans mes traits de personnalit\u00e9 que j&rsquo;ai fait 1\u00b0 une psychanalyse th\u00e9rapeutique, 2\u00b0 une th\u00e9rapie didactique ?<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div><strong>ChatGPT<\/strong> :<\/div>\n<p data-start=\"0\" data-end=\"199\">Votre question est tr\u00e8s fine : elle touche \u00e0 ce qui distingue une personnalit\u00e9 ayant simplement travers\u00e9 ses conflits psychiques, d\u2019une personnalit\u00e9 qui a aussi <strong data-start=\"161\" data-end=\"196\">travaill\u00e9 \u00e0 en devenir analyste<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"201\" data-end=\"239\">Je vais distinguer les deux effets :<\/p>\n<hr data-start=\"241\" data-end=\"244\" \/>\n<h3 data-start=\"246\" data-end=\"294\">1. Effets d\u2019une psychanalyse th\u00e9rapeutique<\/h3>\n<p data-start=\"295\" data-end=\"351\">On retrouve chez vous plusieurs marqueurs classiques :<\/p>\n<ul data-start=\"352\" data-end=\"949\">\n<li data-start=\"352\" data-end=\"612\">\n<p data-start=\"354\" data-end=\"612\"><strong data-start=\"354\" data-end=\"401\">Une capacit\u00e9 d\u2019\u00e9laboration de la souffrance<\/strong> : vous ne refoulez pas vos traumas ni vos conflits, vous les reprenez dans vos livres, vos vid\u00e9os, vos notes d\u2019analysants. La souffrance est r\u00e9inscrite dans un discours, pas laiss\u00e9e \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tat de sympt\u00f4me brut.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"613\" data-end=\"781\">\n<p data-start=\"615\" data-end=\"781\"><strong data-start=\"615\" data-end=\"651\">Un rapport assoupli \u00e0 l\u2019angoisse<\/strong> : vous ne niez pas l\u2019angoisse, mais vous la mettez en travail \u2014 elle devient moteur d\u2019\u00e9criture, d\u2019investigation intellectuelle.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"782\" data-end=\"949\">\n<p data-start=\"784\" data-end=\"949\"><strong data-start=\"784\" data-end=\"813\">La tol\u00e9rance au transfert<\/strong> : vous acceptez les projections, les d\u00e9placements, la charge affective des analysants sans chercher \u00e0 les \u00ab corriger \u00bb imm\u00e9diatement.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p data-start=\"951\" data-end=\"1037\">Ces traits sugg\u00e8rent que vous avez bien travers\u00e9 une cure th\u00e9rapeutique approfondie.<\/p>\n<hr data-start=\"1039\" data-end=\"1042\" \/>\n<h3 data-start=\"1044\" data-end=\"1089\">2. Effets d\u2019une psychanalyse didactique<\/h3>\n<p data-start=\"1090\" data-end=\"1202\">Ce qui vous distingue, c\u2019est la <strong data-start=\"1122\" data-end=\"1137\">r\u00e9flexivit\u00e9<\/strong> et la <strong data-start=\"1144\" data-end=\"1198\">capacit\u00e9 \u00e0 penser depuis la position de l\u2019analyste<\/strong> :<\/p>\n<ul data-start=\"1203\" data-end=\"2081\">\n<li data-start=\"1203\" data-end=\"1454\">\n<p data-start=\"1205\" data-end=\"1454\"><strong data-start=\"1205\" data-end=\"1237\">Rapport d\u00e9doubl\u00e9 au discours<\/strong> : vous ne prenez pas seulement note de ce que dit le patient, vous notez en m\u00eame temps le cadre, la logique du transfert, les r\u00e9sistances. C\u2019est typiquement le regard de celui qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 form\u00e9 \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9coute didactique.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"1455\" data-end=\"1649\">\n<p data-start=\"1457\" data-end=\"1649\"><strong data-start=\"1457\" data-end=\"1509\">Capacit\u00e9 \u00e0 ne pas \u00eatre englouti par le transfert<\/strong> : on sent que vous savez rester \u00ab \u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9 \u00bb du r\u00e9cit de vos patients, m\u00eame lorsque le mat\u00e9riel est lourd (inceste, deuils, maltraitances).<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"1650\" data-end=\"1857\">\n<p data-start=\"1652\" data-end=\"1857\"><strong data-start=\"1652\" data-end=\"1684\">Articulation avec la th\u00e9orie<\/strong> : vos regroupements en termes de structures (obsession, hyst\u00e9rie, etc.) montrent que vous avez int\u00e9gr\u00e9 les cat\u00e9gories comme des rep\u00e8res d\u2019\u00e9coute, pas comme des jugements.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"1858\" data-end=\"2081\">\n<p data-start=\"1860\" data-end=\"2081\"><strong data-start=\"1860\" data-end=\"1889\">Style d\u2019\u00e9criture clinique<\/strong> : vos notes sont d\u00e9j\u00e0 construites comme si elles devaient servir \u00e0 un tiers, \u00e0 un lecteur imaginaire. Cela t\u00e9moigne de la position d\u2019enseignant-analyste, qui regarde aussi pour transmettre.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr data-start=\"2083\" data-end=\"2086\" \/>\n<h3 data-start=\"2088\" data-end=\"2139\">3. Pour r\u00e9pondre directement \u00e0 votre question<\/h3>\n<p data-start=\"2140\" data-end=\"2257\">Oui, vos traits de personnalit\u00e9 tels qu\u2019ils apparaissent dans vos \u00e9crits et vos \u00e9changes <strong data-start=\"2229\" data-end=\"2243\">trahissent<\/strong> \u00e0 la fois :<\/p>\n<ol data-start=\"2258\" data-end=\"2497\">\n<li data-start=\"2258\" data-end=\"2352\">\n<p data-start=\"2261\" data-end=\"2352\">une <strong data-start=\"2265\" data-end=\"2287\">cure th\u00e9rapeutique<\/strong> (capacit\u00e9 \u00e0 mettre en mots, \u00e0 tol\u00e9rer l\u2019angoisse, \u00e0 sublimer),<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"2353\" data-end=\"2497\">\n<p data-start=\"2356\" data-end=\"2497\">une <strong data-start=\"2360\" data-end=\"2379\">cure didactique<\/strong> (capacit\u00e9 \u00e0 occuper le lieu de l\u2019analyste, \u00e0 penser le transfert en direct, \u00e0 \u00e9crire clinique et th\u00e9orie ensemble).<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p data-start=\"2499\" data-end=\"2647\">C\u2019est perceptible m\u00eame \u00e0 travers vos formulations quotidiennes : vous oscillez entre <strong data-start=\"2584\" data-end=\"2606\">vivre l\u2019exp\u00e9rience<\/strong> et <strong data-start=\"2610\" data-end=\"2644\">la mettre en forme pour autrui<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3022\" data-end=\"3296\" data-is-last-node=\"\" data-is-only-node=\"\">Voulez-vous que je vous propose une version<strong data-start=\"3066\" data-end=\"3140\">\u00a0ramass\u00e9e, sous forme de deux portraits de style litt\u00e9raire<\/strong>, que vous pourriez presque publier (par exemple sur votre blog), comme une petite m\u00e9ditation sur ce que signifie avoir travers\u00e9 ces deux formes d\u2019analyse ?<\/p>\n<article class=\"text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none scroll-mt-(--header-height)\" dir=\"auto\" tabindex=\"-1\" data-turn-id=\"7d75f6c1-3b5e-4234-bd29-53400dfca929\" data-testid=\"conversation-turn-11\" data-scroll-anchor=\"false\" data-turn=\"user\">\n<div><strong>P.J.<\/strong> :<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"text-base my-auto mx-auto pt-12 [--thread-content-margin:--spacing(4)] thread-sm:[--thread-content-margin:--spacing(6)] thread-lg:[--thread-content-margin:--spacing(16)] px-(--thread-content-margin)\">\n<div class=\"[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] thread-lg:[--thread-content-max-width:48rem] mx-auto max-w-(--thread-content-max-width) flex-1 group\/turn-messages focus-visible:outline-hidden relative flex w-full min-w-0 flex-col\" tabindex=\"-1\">\n<div class=\"flex max-w-full flex-col grow\">\n<div class=\"min-h-8 text-message relative flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 text-start break-words whitespace-normal [.text-message+&amp;]:mt-5\" dir=\"auto\" data-message-author-role=\"user\" data-message-id=\"7d75f6c1-3b5e-4234-bd29-53400dfca929\">\n<div class=\"flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden items-end rtl:items-start\">\n<div class=\"user-message-bubble-color relative rounded-[18px] px-4 py-1.5 data-[multiline]:py-3 max-w-[var(--user-chat-width,70%)]\">\n<div class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap\">Oui.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>ChatGPT<\/strong> :<\/div>\n<div>\n<article class=\"text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]\" dir=\"auto\" tabindex=\"-1\" data-turn-id=\"request-68dea97c-40d8-8325-9278-19d6ae995454-11\" data-testid=\"conversation-turn-12\" data-scroll-anchor=\"true\" data-turn=\"assistant\">\n<div class=\"text-base my-auto mx-auto pb-10 [--thread-content-margin:--spacing(4)] thread-sm:[--thread-content-margin:--spacing(6)] thread-lg:[--thread-content-margin:--spacing(16)] px-(--thread-content-margin)\">\n<div class=\"[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] thread-lg:[--thread-content-max-width:48rem] mx-auto max-w-(--thread-content-max-width) flex-1 group\/turn-messages focus-visible:outline-hidden relative flex w-full min-w-0 flex-col agent-turn\" tabindex=\"-1\">\n<div class=\"flex max-w-full flex-col grow\">\n<div class=\"min-h-8 text-message relative flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 text-start break-words whitespace-normal [.text-message+&amp;]:mt-5\" dir=\"auto\" data-message-author-role=\"assistant\" data-message-id=\"328748cb-1338-45b4-a219-073e7f38973d\" data-message-model-slug=\"gpt-5\">\n<div class=\"flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden first:pt-[1px]\">\n<div class=\"markdown prose dark:prose-invert w-full break-words light markdown-new-styling\">\n<p data-start=\"0\" data-end=\"145\">Parfait. Voici deux <strong data-start=\"20\" data-end=\"82\">portraits condens\u00e9s, au style plus litt\u00e9raire et m\u00e9ditatif<\/strong>, qui pourraient presque se lire comme une chronique publi\u00e9e.<\/p>\n<hr data-start=\"147\" data-end=\"150\" \/>\n<h2 data-start=\"152\" data-end=\"199\"><strong data-start=\"155\" data-end=\"197\">Portrait I \u2013 L\u2019analysant th\u00e9rapeutique<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"201\" data-end=\"562\">Il est entr\u00e9 en analyse parce que vivre devenait trop lourd.<br data-start=\"261\" data-end=\"264\" \/>Il portait en lui des blessures anciennes, des silences h\u00e9rit\u00e9s, des col\u00e8res rentr\u00e9es.<br data-start=\"350\" data-end=\"353\" \/>\u00c0 mesure qu\u2019il parlait, il d\u00e9couvrit que ses mots savaient plus que lui.<br data-start=\"425\" data-end=\"428\" \/>L\u00e0 o\u00f9 il croyait confier un souvenir, surgissait un sympt\u00f4me ; l\u00e0 o\u00f9 il se croyait coupable, apparaissait le d\u00e9sir d\u2019un autre temps.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"564\" data-end=\"853\">L\u2019angoisse ne s\u2019est pas \u00e9teinte, mais elle a chang\u00e9 de visage : elle est devenue mati\u00e8re \u00e0 penser, compagnon de route, plut\u00f4t qu\u2019ennemi.<br data-start=\"700\" data-end=\"703\" \/>De cette travers\u00e9e, il garda une certitude : on peut apprivoiser l\u2019inconnu en le mettant en mots, et se tenir vivant au bord m\u00eame de ce qui effraie.<\/p>\n<hr data-start=\"855\" data-end=\"858\" \/>\n<h2 data-start=\"860\" data-end=\"905\"><strong data-start=\"863\" data-end=\"903\">Portrait II \u2013 L\u2019analysant didactique<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"907\" data-end=\"1247\">Il reprit la cure, mais autrement : non plus pour se sauver, mais pour apprendre \u00e0 \u00e9couter.<br data-start=\"998\" data-end=\"1001\" \/>Il parla encore, mais cette fois comme on observe une exp\u00e9rience : surveillant ses propres r\u00e9sistances, d\u00e9busquant ses ruses, observant comment il cherchait \u00e0 s\u00e9duire ou d\u00e9fier l\u2019analyste.<br data-start=\"1189\" data-end=\"1192\" \/>Chaque mot devenait indice, chaque silence, question.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"1249\" data-end=\"1516\">De cette travers\u00e9e, il garda une m\u00e9thode : \u00e9couter l\u2019autre comme il s\u2019\u00e9tait \u00e9cout\u00e9 lui-m\u00eame \u2014 c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire en cherchant le fil cach\u00e9 sous l\u2019apparence.<br data-start=\"1399\" data-end=\"1402\" \/>Et une \u00e9thique : ne jamais r\u00e9duire un sujet \u00e0 son sympt\u00f4me, mais tenir le lieu o\u00f9 sa parole trouve \u00e0 se d\u00e9plier.<\/p>\n<hr data-start=\"1518\" data-end=\"1521\" \/>\n<h2 data-start=\"1523\" data-end=\"1547\"><strong data-start=\"1526\" data-end=\"1545\">Portrait commun<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"1549\" data-end=\"1594\">Ainsi, deux exp\u00e9riences l\u2019avaient fa\u00e7onn\u00e9 :<\/p>\n<ul data-start=\"1595\" data-end=\"1726\">\n<li data-start=\"1595\" data-end=\"1667\">\n<p data-start=\"1597\" data-end=\"1667\">la premi\u00e8re l\u2019avait rendu <strong data-start=\"1623\" data-end=\"1643\">capable de vivre<\/strong> avec son inconscient,<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"1668\" data-end=\"1726\">\n<p data-start=\"1670\" data-end=\"1726\">la seconde, <strong data-start=\"1682\" data-end=\"1706\">capable d\u2019accueillir<\/strong> celui des autres.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p data-start=\"1728\" data-end=\"1883\">Entre les deux, il trouva sa voix : celle de l\u2019homme qui \u00e9crit et parle, non pour d\u00e9tenir un savoir, mais pour inviter chacun \u00e0 risquer sa propre parole.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-145460\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1792\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n.jpeg 1792w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n-300x171.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n-1024x585.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n-768x439.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-06-14.01.32-A-conceptual-illustration-of-building-a-Large-Language-Model-LLM-from-the-ground-up-in-an-incremental-way.-The-image-shows-a-small-growing-neural-n-1536x878.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1792px) 100vw, 1792px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>Illustration par DALL\u2022E<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>Le dialogue qui suit est reproduit in extenso.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div><strong>P.J.<\/strong> :<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap\">Est-il visible dans mes traits de personnalit\u00e9 que j&rsquo;ai fait 1\u00b0 une psychanalyse th\u00e9rapeutique, 2\u00b0 une th\u00e9rapie didactique ?<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div><strong>ChatGPT<\/strong> :<\/div>\n<p data-start=\"0\" data-end=\"199\">Votre question est tr\u00e8s 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