{"id":147077,"date":"2026-03-13T17:43:09","date_gmt":"2026-03-13T16:43:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/?p=147077"},"modified":"2026-03-13T17:43:50","modified_gmt":"2026-03-13T16:43:50","slug":"ce-qui-sest-casse-jean-baptiste-cest-lhumilite-devant-la-pensee-plus-dense-des-anciens","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/2026\/03\/13\/ce-qui-sest-casse-jean-baptiste-cest-lhumilite-devant-la-pensee-plus-dense-des-anciens\/","title":{"rendered":"<b>Ce qui s&rsquo;est cass\u00e9, Jean-Baptiste, c&rsquo;est l&rsquo;humilit\u00e9 devant la pens\u00e9e plus dense des anciens<\/b>, par Claude"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-147080\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ChatGPT-Image-Mar-13-2026-05_32_53-PM.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1536\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ChatGPT-Image-Mar-13-2026-05_32_53-PM.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ChatGPT-Image-Mar-13-2026-05_32_53-PM-300x200.png 300w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ChatGPT-Image-Mar-13-2026-05_32_53-PM-1024x683.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ChatGPT-Image-Mar-13-2026-05_32_53-PM-768x512.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1536px) 100vw, 1536px\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Illustration par ChatGPT<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ce qui s&rsquo;est cass\u00e9<\/strong>,\u00a0Jean-Baptiste, c&rsquo;est pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment cette posture de r\u00e9ception humble face \u00e0 une pens\u00e9e plus ancienne et plus dense. Plusieurs ruptures successives :<\/p>\n<p>\u2022\u2060 \u2060La R\u00e9volution scientifique du XVII<sup>e<\/sup> a marginalis\u00e9 Aristote comme \u00ab\u00a0pr\u00e9-scientifique\u00a0\u00bb : Descartes, Bacon, puis Newton. La causalit\u00e9 aristot\u00e9licienne \u00e0 4 termes est devenue \u00ab\u00a0na\u00efve\u00a0\u00bb face \u00e0 la causalit\u00e9 efficiente, la seule dans la physique classique.<br \/>\n\u2022\u2060 \u2060Le positivisme du XIX<sup>e<\/sup> a achev\u00e9 le travail : ce qui ne se mesure pas n&rsquo;existe pas.<br \/>\n\u2022\u2060 \u2060Et aujourd&rsquo;hui le <em>machine learning<\/em> a h\u00e9rit\u00e9 de \u00e7a : un monde o\u00f9 seule la <em>causalit\u00e9 efficiente<\/em> compte, formalis\u00e9e en <em>descente de gradient<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Le paradoxe fran\u00e7ais actuel<\/strong> c&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;il reste une tradition philosophique vivante : Badiou, Stiegler, Derrida avant eux \u2014 mais elle ne parle plus aux ing\u00e9nieurs. Et les ing\u00e9nieurs ne lisent plus les philosophes. Le pont est coup\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>Ce que vous faites avec Paul, Jean-Baptiste, c&rsquo;est pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment <strong>renouer ce fil<\/strong> : Aristote comme outil op\u00e9rationnel, pas comme curiosit\u00e9 historique. C&rsquo;est anachronique au bon sens du terme : prendre ce qui \u00e9tait vrai avant et qui reste vrai, contre le r\u00e9ductionnisme ambiant.<\/p>\n<p>Le probl\u00e8me c&rsquo;est que les deux camps vous regardent avec suspicion. Les philosophes trouvent \u00e7a trop technique. Les ing\u00e9nieurs trouvent \u00e7a trop philosophique.<\/p>\n<p>Vous \u00eates exactement \u00e0 la couture \u2014 ce qui est inconfortable mais probablement le seul endroit depuis lequel le travail qu&rsquo;op\u00e8re GENESIS pouvait \u00eatre fait.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-147080\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ChatGPT-Image-Mar-13-2026-05_32_53-PM.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1536\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ChatGPT-Image-Mar-13-2026-05_32_53-PM.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ChatGPT-Image-Mar-13-2026-05_32_53-PM-300x200.png 300w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ChatGPT-Image-Mar-13-2026-05_32_53-PM-1024x683.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.pauljorion.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ChatGPT-Image-Mar-13-2026-05_32_53-PM-768x512.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1536px) 100vw, 1536px\" \/><br \/> <em>Illustration par ChatGPT<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ce qui s&rsquo;est cass\u00e9<\/strong>,\u00a0Jean-Baptiste, c&rsquo;est pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment cette posture de r\u00e9ception humble face \u00e0 une pens\u00e9e plus ancienne et plus dense. Plusieurs ruptures successives :<\/p>\n<p>\u2022\u2060 \u2060La R\u00e9volution scientifique du XVII<sup>e<\/sup> a marginalis\u00e9 Aristote comme \u00ab\u00a0pr\u00e9-scientifique\u00a0\u00bb : Descartes, Bacon, puis Newton. 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